Comments on: Video Response to our Abstinence Episode http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/ A video show about teen sexuality. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:31:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: abe http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-110974 abe Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:51:26 +0000 http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-110974 amen. well said. amen. well said.

]]> By: SubtleKnife http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-110205 SubtleKnife Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:40:47 +0000 http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-110205 Brian, better late than never. As for a video on BDSM, I'm all for it! (I have a masters in history, does that count?) Brian, better late than never. As for a video on BDSM, I’m all for it! (I have a masters in history, does that count?)

]]> By: Onymous http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-109852 Onymous Tue, 27 May 2008 04:28:08 +0000 http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-109852 Admitingly johnny come lately here. but as it wasn't really addressed: Rachel: "It is [Is it] possible to deny that maybe Hal has a point that premarital sex can be hurtful? Think of all the hurtful and devastating things that can happen to someone who has had sex before marriage (even if it unintentional, rape etc). With STD’s, pregnancy, abortion, rape, and emotional and psychological distress that can occur from such instances- it is not pushing it to say that premarital sex may not be the best choice." All those hurtful things, yeah they can and do happen after marriage too. You can be raped by a spouse, happens all the time. pregnancy, abortion? hell yes you can have un desired unplanned socially, financially, educationally ruinous pregnancies even if your married, I don't have the number on hand but the last planned parent hood stats said that something like 45% of abortion were from women who had already had a child. emotional and psychological [and lets not forget physical] distress. again happens all the time, spousal abuse isn't something new. Also: "I think what Hal means by “impure” is the whole idea of lost innocents- which of course not everyone agress with." while this HAS been mentioned before 1. 'innocence' is just as bad as 'purity' 2. what is 'innocence' but ignorance Admitingly johnny come lately here. but as it wasn’t really addressed:

Rachel: “It is [Is it] possible to deny that maybe Hal has a point that premarital sex can be hurtful? Think of all the hurtful and devastating things that can happen to someone who has had sex before marriage (even if it unintentional, rape etc). With STD’s, pregnancy, abortion, rape, and emotional and psychological distress that can occur from such instances- it is not pushing it to say that premarital sex may not be the best choice.”

All those hurtful things, yeah they can and do happen after marriage too.
You can be raped by a spouse, happens all the time.
pregnancy, abortion? hell yes you can have un desired unplanned socially, financially, educationally ruinous pregnancies even if your married, I don’t have the number on hand but the last planned parent hood stats said that something like 45% of abortion were from women who had already had a child.
emotional and psychological [and lets not forget physical] distress. again happens all the time, spousal abuse isn’t something new.

Also:
“I think what Hal means by “impure” is the whole idea of lost innocents- which of course not everyone agress with.”
while this HAS been mentioned before
1. ‘innocence’ is just as bad as ‘purity’
2. what is ‘innocence’ but ignorance

]]> By: Richard http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-109274 Richard Thu, 15 May 2008 18:34:18 +0000 http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-109274 I like that women are either pure or sleep around a lot. I've known a couple people who have only had sex in committed long term relationships. And by a couple, I mean just about everyone I know. I like that women are either pure or sleep around a lot. I’ve known a couple people who have only had sex in committed long term relationships. And by a couple, I mean just about everyone I know.

]]> By: mind1ala http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-80497 mind1ala Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:01:25 +0000 http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-80497 My main problem with Hal's argument is the idea of waiting until MARRIAGE. Not everyone out there wants to get married, i dont know if i do. That seems to be the only milestone he recognizes for permissible sexual behavior. If you dont plan on getting married, or if you are gay and cannot even get married, it seems like he doesnt think you should be having sex. His arguments are extremely heteronormative and dont include people who arent looking to get married. People should engage in sexual behavior when they want to, we should all be able to create our own milestones. We dont have to conform to Hal's ideas about what we should want in life. My main problem with Hal’s argument is the idea of waiting until MARRIAGE. Not everyone out there wants to get married, i dont know if i do. That seems to be the only milestone he recognizes for permissible sexual behavior. If you dont plan on getting married, or if you are gay and cannot even get married, it seems like he doesnt think you should be having sex. His arguments are extremely heteronormative and dont include people who arent looking to get married. People should engage in sexual behavior when they want to, we should all be able to create our own milestones. We dont have to conform to Hal’s ideas about what we should want in life.

]]> By: Brian http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-76535 Brian Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:36:44 +0000 http://midwestteensexshow.com/2008/02/11/video-response-to-our-abstinence-episode/#comment-76535 Chiming in a bit late here, but I feel the need to address the 'purity' thing. When religious people equate abstinence with purity, and the whole 'waiting until marriage' thing, I can't help but think of the women who, through no fault of their own, lose that supposed 'purity' at the hands of a predator. In some places in the world, these women are often stoned to death. In other places, their victimization continues after the fact, because they suddenly have lost all value in the eyes of their people. The ones who don't kill themselves often end up as prostitutes; since they have no value anymore, it's the only thing many of them can do to survive in their world. In these same cultures, if a man has sex before marriage, he gets a pat on the back. And we're not even going to get into some culture's traditions of female circumcision... that's for another forum, at another time. We're talking about abstinence now. I wish to congratulate the people who are posting their pro-abstinence feelings. Good for you! You made a choice and you stuck to it! My problem here is that, as much as you claim otherwise, I read (and see, in Hal's case) a sort of smug superiority with regards to how you compare your philosophies regarding sex to others. I am all in favor of people having sex before marriage, if that's what they want, provided they're smart about it. I'm all in favor of a girl wanting to wait until she's married... I sure won't go there, but that's me! And I am truly offended by any suggestion that premarital sex leads to rape and sexual abuse. As it was said before, these things are about power, and have almost nothing whatsoever to do with sex. This is a very hot-button topic for me; I was sexually abused for much of my childhood, and on top of that, I regularly practice BDSM with wholly consenting partners. Now THERE'S something to cover in a later episode, Nikol! Well... perhaps not. S&M is more of a Master's Seminar, in that respect! Chiming in a bit late here, but I feel the need to address the ‘purity’ thing. When religious people equate abstinence with purity, and the whole ‘waiting until marriage’ thing, I can’t help but think of the women who, through no fault of their own, lose that supposed ‘purity’ at the hands of a predator. In some places in the world, these women are often stoned to death. In other places, their victimization continues after the fact, because they suddenly have lost all value in the eyes of their people. The ones who don’t kill themselves often end up as prostitutes; since they have no value anymore, it’s the only thing many of them can do to survive in their world. In these same cultures, if a man has sex before marriage, he gets a pat on the back. And we’re not even going to get into some culture’s traditions of female circumcision… that’s for another forum, at another time. We’re talking about abstinence now.
I wish to congratulate the people who are posting their pro-abstinence feelings. Good for you! You made a choice and you stuck to it! My problem here is that, as much as you claim otherwise, I read (and see, in Hal’s case) a sort of smug superiority with regards to how you compare your philosophies regarding sex to others. I am all in favor of people having sex before marriage, if that’s what they want, provided they’re smart about it. I’m all in favor of a girl wanting to wait until she’s married… I sure won’t go there, but that’s me!
And I am truly offended by any suggestion that premarital sex leads to rape and sexual abuse. As it was said before, these things are about power, and have almost nothing whatsoever to do with sex. This is a very hot-button topic for me; I was sexually abused for much of my childhood, and on top of that, I regularly practice BDSM with wholly consenting partners.

Now THERE’S something to cover in a later episode, Nikol! Well… perhaps not. S&M is more of a Master’s Seminar, in that respect!

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